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Stepping in as RM for our PHP 4 branche

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Pierre Joye

20 years ago

Hello,

We need a PHP 4 release. We need it now and we will need more and
regular releases in the near future.

It is clear that the current RM is not able to do his job in time and
in coordination with the other developers. See the numerous requests
about php4 releases or informations, they are all without answers.

I'm not saying that we should add features or fix minor bugs but there
is many security issues and segfaults that have been fixed since
months.PHP4 will slowly and surely loose all its users, but we cannot
stop to release it now, neither in the next 2 years.

I'm volunteer to be the RM for the PHP 4 branche until its death.

Cheers,
-- Pierre

Andrei Zmievski

20 years ago

Go for it.

On Jul 18, 2006, at 6:32 AM, Pierre wrote:

Derick Rethans

20 years ago

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Andrei Zmievski wrote:

> Go for it.

Que?

Derick

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Derick Rethans
http://derickrethans.nl | http://ez.no | http://xdebug.org

Andrei Zmievski

20 years ago

Do you have time/inclination to be RM for 4.4? If not, let Pierre do it.

On Jul 18, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Derick Rethans wrote:

Derick Rethans

20 years ago

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Andrei Zmievski wrote:

> Do you have time/inclination to be RM for 4.4? If not, let Pierre do it.

Sure, why wouldn't I? I did an RC before my holiday and soon it's time
for a release... can't do releases in some remote village on Iceland now
can I?

Derick

--
Derick Rethans
http://derickrethans.nl | http://ez.no | http://xdebug.org

Pierre Joye

20 years ago

On 7/18/06, Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Andrei Zmievski wrote:
>
> > Do you have time/inclination to be RM for 4.4? If not, let Pierre do it.
>
> Sure, why wouldn't I? I did an RC before my holiday and soon it's time
> for a release... can't do releases in some remote village on Iceland now
> can I?

No you cannot. And you was also not able to release in the past 5
months. That's why you should resign and let me do it.

--Pierre

Jani Taskinen

20 years ago

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Pierre wrote:

> On 7/18/06, Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Andrei Zmievski wrote:
>>
>> > Do you have time/inclination to be RM for 4.4? If not, let Pierre do it.
>>
>> Sure, why wouldn't I? I did an RC before my holiday and soon it's time
>> for a release... can't do releases in some remote village on Iceland now
>> can I?
>
> No you cannot. And you was also not able to release in the past 5
> months. That's why you should resign and let me do it.

How about a nice hot cup of STFU? :)

--Jani (harsh remark removed)

p.s. Team work. That's how it should work, shouldn't it?

Pierre Joye

20 years ago

Hello,

On 7/18/06, Jani Taskinen <sniper@iki.fi> wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Pierre wrote:
>
> > On 7/18/06, Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Andrei Zmievski wrote:
> >>
> >> > Do you have time/inclination to be RM for 4.4? If not, let Pierre do it.
> >>
> >> Sure, why wouldn't I? I did an RC before my holiday and soon it's time
> >> for a release... can't do releases in some remote village on Iceland now
> >> can I?
> >
> > No you cannot. And you was also not able to release in the past 5
> > months. That's why you should resign and let me do it.
>
>      How about a nice hot cup of STFU? :)
>
>      --Jani (harsh remark removed)

Welcome back, good to see that you are still pollite.

>  p.s. Team work. That's how it should work, shouldn't it?

Yes, and in my book, my team collegues answer mails, don't ignore
users question and inform the rest of the team of their plans. If you
read the archives you will see that none of these points has been
fullfilled in the past 5 months.

Cheers,
--Pierre

Jani Taskinen

20 years ago

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Pierre wrote:

> Welcome back, good to see that you are still pollite.

I'm like a tiger, can't get rid of my stripes. :)
(bare with me, last 6 weeks in duty has been hell)

>>  p.s. Team work. That's how it should work, shouldn't it?
>
> Yes, and in my book, my team collegues answer mails, don't ignore
> users question and inform the rest of the team of their plans. If you
> read the archives you will see that none of these points has been
> fullfilled in the past 5 months.

Virtue number one: patience..

You should visit the A-country for a few months and see how slowly things
really can go ahead. After that few weeks is nothing. And some people
do have holidays some times. ;)

--Jani

John Coggeshall

20 years ago

On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 22:41 +0200, Pierre wrote:

> Yes, and in my book, my team collegues answer mails, don't ignore
> users question and inform the rest of the team of their plans. If you
> read the archives you will see that none of these points has been
> fullfilled in the past 5 months.

Not to be a jerk, but things that don't fall under the category of
discussing the technical merits of decisions for PHP should probably be
taken offlist.

John

Edin Kadribasic

20 years ago

John Coggeshall wrote:

> On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 22:41 +0200, Pierre wrote:
>
>>Yes, and in my book, my team collegues answer mails, don't ignore
>>users question and inform the rest of the team of their plans. If you
>>read the archives you will see that none of these points has been
>>fullfilled in the past 5 months.
>
>
> Not to be a jerk, but things that don't fall under the category of
> discussing the technical merits of decisions for PHP should probably be
> taken offlist.

Which forum you think should be used for evaluating/selecting a Release
Master?

Edin

Andi Gutmans

20 years ago

I think we've really reached an unhealthy situation in PHP release
management.  We used to shift around this responsibility quite frequently.
Sometimes people would assume responsibility even for a mini release.
When people thought (and rightfully so) that I was a bit too busy to run the
PHP 5.1 releases, I had no problem with Ilia taking over. I saw this as a
positive change. We got another community member to assume responsibility
and take leadership. This is a good thing(TM).

Derick, I don't understand why you're holding on to this so much. I think
you've been very busy in the past 2-3 months, and even if you weren't,
there's no reason for Pierre not to run some releases now. Turning over the
RM management over from time to time is a good thing for our community. This
shouldn't be an indefinite job. It never was in the past and it's good to
let others assume responsibility too. After Pierre runs a few, it should go
to someone else...

Andi

Zeev Suraski

20 years ago

I agree completely.

Zeev

At 21:13 18/07/2006, Andi Gutmans wrote:

Marcus Börger

20 years ago

Hello Derick,

well i know you d a lot and had to slow down and have been on vacation.
Yet the vast majority is still using php 4 and we are indeed facing a
lof of security issues and don't do our reputation good if keep taking
long times between mini releases. If now Pierre thinks he can do faster
so be it. And which him all success. Maybe you can get RM for 5.2 then?

best regards
marcus

Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 7:55:30 PM, you wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Andrei Zmievski wrote:

>> Do you have time/inclination to be RM for 4.4? If not, let Pierre do it.

> Sure, why wouldn't I? I did an RC before my holiday and soon it's time
> for a release... can't do releases in some remote village on Iceland now
> can I?

> Derick

> --
> Derick Rethans
> http://derickrethans.nl | http://ez.no | http://xdebug.org

Best regards,
Marcus

Marcus Börger

20 years ago

Hello all,

actually i should count better, Ilia does 5.2 so the next open RM
would be for 5.3. And since we are heading towards RC phase of 5.2
it is anyway time to look for an RM of upcoming 5.3.

best regards
marcus

Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 11:52:36 PM, you wrote:

Derick Rethans

20 years ago

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Marcus Boerger wrote:

> well i know you d a lot and had to slow down and have been on vacation.
> Yet the vast majority is still using php 4 and we are indeed facing a
> lof of security issues and don't do our reputation good if keep taking
> long times between mini releases.

Well, that might be true a bit but you know there were some other
factors here as well why it took some more time. Now (unfortunately)
holiday is over and I'm back (also with more time) so no need to switch
anything.

Derick

Pierre Joye

20 years ago

On 7/19/06, Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Marcus Boerger wrote:
>
> > well i know you d a lot and had to slow down and have been on vacation.
> > Yet the vast majority is still using php 4 and we are indeed facing a
> > lof of security issues and don't do our reputation good if keep taking
> > long times between mini releases.
>
> Well, that might be true a bit but you know there were some other
> factors here as well why it took some more time. Now (unfortunately)
> holiday is over and I'm back (also with more time) so no need to switch
> anything.

I'm very interested to know which factors have something to do with
us. Do you mind to enlight us?

I maintain my candidature, or if I am the problem, please propose someone else.

Cheers,
--Pierre

Derick Rethans

20 years ago

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Pierre wrote:

> On 7/19/06, Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Marcus Boerger wrote:
> >
> > > well i know you d a lot and had to slow down and have been on vacation.
> > > Yet the vast majority is still using php 4 and we are indeed facing a
> > > lof of security issues and don't do our reputation good if keep taking
> > > long times between mini releases.
> >
> > Well, that might be true a bit but you know there were some other
> > factors here as well why it took some more time. Now (unfortunately)
> > holiday is over and I'm back (also with more time) so no need to switch
> > anything.
>
> I'm very interested to know which factors have something to do with
> us. Do you mind to enlight us?

Some issues with a certain person that didn't really want to say which
fixes where not merged yet. But that is hardly to the topic here.

> I maintain my candidature, or if I am the problem, please propose
> someone else.

We don't need to change anything.

Derick

Pierre Joye

20 years ago

On 7/19/06, Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Pierre wrote:
>
> > On 7/19/06, Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Marcus Boerger wrote:
> > >
> > > > well i know you d a lot and had to slow down and have been on vacation.
> > > > Yet the vast majority is still using php 4 and we are indeed facing a
> > > > lof of security issues and don't do our reputation good if keep taking
> > > > long times between mini releases.
> > >
> > > Well, that might be true a bit but you know there were some other
> > > factors here as well why it took some more time. Now (unfortunately)
> > > holiday is over and I'm back (also with more time) so no need to switch
> > > anything.
> >
> > I'm very interested to know which factors have something to do with
> > us. Do you mind to enlight us?
>
> Some issues with a certain person that didn't really want to say which
> fixes where not merged yet. But that is hardly to the topic here.

It is the topic. For the first time in months, you give us something
like a reason. I don't consider that as enough.

You say you don't want to change, up to you, I will let the other
decide and act accordingly .

--Pierre