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GSoC, Mutation Testing, Ineligible

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Thomas Koch

19 years ago

Hi,

I've posted an application for the Mutation Testing idea from Sebastian on
Sunday. Today, just some minutes before deadline, the application status
has been set to "Ineligible" without any comment or even a name of the one
who set this status.

First I have to admit that I've not contacted you on this list and that my
application is rather short.
But I've had a chat with Sebastian on #phpunit, use and know phpunit and the
project's scope is very well defined, because there are examples from Java
that only needs to be adapted for PHP.

So I'd like to kindly ask you to tell me, who kicked me out and why? Should
I write a longer abstract?

Best regards,

Thomas Koch

Sebastian Bergmann

19 years ago

Thomas Koch wrote:

> Today, just some minutes before deadline, the application status has
> been set to "Ineligible" without any comment or even a name of the one
> who set this status.

I set the application status to "Ineligible" which, in the terms of
Google's web interface for GSoC, means that no mentor should vote on it
anymore. At least as far as I understood it.

> So I'd like to kindly ask you to tell me, who kicked me out and why?

There are quite a few applications for this project idea. Yours was not
the best, sorry.

> Best regards,
> Thomas Koch

Best regards,
Sebastian

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Mark Wiesemann

19 years ago

Sebastian Bergmann wrote:

> Thomas Koch wrote:
>> Today, just some minutes before deadline, the application status has
>> been set to "Ineligible" without any comment or even a name of the one
>> who set this status.
>
>  I set the application status to "Ineligible" which, in the terms of
>  Google's web interface for GSoC, means that no mentor should vote on it
>  anymore. At least as far as I understood it.

To avoid such wrong interpretations for the next GSoCs, I'll cite
Google's explaination:
| The Ineligible Link
| Before any application has been scored, there will be a link on the
| application page to mark the application "Ineligible." Clicking the
| "Ineligible" link gives the application a score of -10 and drops it
| to the bottom of the application list. Use the "Ineligible" link only
| for applications that are spam. To be clear, a badly written
| application is not ineligible, it should simply receive bad scores,
| e.g. -2. Proposals that are copied directly from an organization's
| Ideas list are not ineligible, they are just poorly written and
| should be scored accordingly. An example of an Ineligible application
| would be one in which the student simply states "I like to program,
| can I work with you guys?" but does not provide a project proposal
| for a project.

The most important sentence of this paragraph is:
| Use the "Ineligible" link only for applications that are spam.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/guide-to-the-gsoc-web-app-for-mentors-and-organization-administrators

Regards,
Mark

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Lukas Kahwe Smith

19 years ago

Mark Wiesemann wrote:

> The most important sentence of this paragraph is:
> | Use the "Ineligible" link only for applications that are spam.

Sorry about that. You have to realize that the SoC Mentor interface is
utter crap. So we are trying to make the best of the available features
in order to come to the optimal list of applications. Do not take this
personally.

regards,
Lukas

Mark Wiesemann

19 years ago

Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:

> Mark Wiesemann wrote:
>
>> The most important sentence of this paragraph is:
>>| Use the "Ineligible" link only for applications that are spam.
>
> Sorry about that. You have to realize that the SoC Mentor interface is
> utter crap. So we are trying to make the best of the available features
> in order to come to the optimal list of applications. Do not take this
> personally.

No need to say sorry, I'm not affected.

This was just a friendly note for Sebastian and other mentors, e.g. to
avoid that maybe Google itself ranks people like Thomas Koch next year
down because their 2007 application was marked as "spam" (<= in Google's
interpretation).

Regards,
Mark

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Lukas Kahwe Smith

19 years ago

Mark Wiesemann wrote:

> This was just a friendly note for Sebastian and other mentors, e.g. to
> avoid that maybe Google itself ranks people like Thomas Koch next year
> down because their 2007 application was marked as "spam" (<= in Google's
> interpretation).

Good point. We will provide feedback to Google on this issue.

regards,
Lukas

Lukas Kahwe Smith

19 years ago

Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:

> Mark Wiesemann wrote:
>
>> This was just a friendly note for Sebastian and other mentors, e.g. to
>> avoid that maybe Google itself ranks people like Thomas Koch next year
>> down because their 2007 application was marked as "spam" (<= in Google's
>> interpretation).
>
> Good point. We will provide feedback to Google on this issue.

FYI: I noticed that Google finally implemented a feature to undo marking
things ineligible and so I went in and "fixed" everything. Now only real
spam and absolutely bogus requests are marked ineligible.

regards,
Lukas